To: Editor@PollingReport.com
Most recent Time magazine included a graphic showing a CNN/Time poll which had Bush's approval numbers at 55%. Just curious as to why you didn't include these numbers in your latest updates.
From: Editor@PollingReport.com
Thanks for your note. Time/CNN Poll results are released to us by their pollsters. So far, what they’ve sent us from the Dec. 17-18 poll has not included an overall Bush job rating. When and if they provide it to us, we’ll report it.

According to published results, Al Gore kicked ass a couple of weekends ago, giving "Saturday Night Live'" it's biggest audience since Britney Spears's appearance back in February. Preliminary stats suggest that Gore garnered more viewers on NBC in late night on Saturday than had any prime-time show on any network. The next night, Gore's "60 Minutes" interview on CBS logged 14.7 million viewers -- about 2 million more than the season finale of "The Sopranos" the previous Sunday. Gore was that Sunday's biggest draw on any network. That pounding and screaming you heard later that week was coming from the White House, where George W. Bush was screaming for equal time. Would someone please tell Dubyah he's already the butt of jokes and he doesn't have to appear on Saturday Night Live to be made fun off. All he has to do is open his mouth...
Speaking of Al Gore, who won the election of 2000 by the way (mentioned here to further piss off the right loonies reading), I ran across an old article this morning while doing research. It was from the Newspaper Association of America and basically confirmed what I already knew to be true... George W. Bush was a chickenshit when it came time to debate Al Gore.
From the article: Paraphrasing Mark Twain, Vice President Al Gore told publishers, “There are only two forces that can carry light to the end of the globe: the sun in the heavens, and the AP.”
In a speech at The Associated Press annual meeting Monday, the Democratic presidential-primary victor also offered a proposal to replace television campaign ads with twice-weekly public debates between himself and Republican candidate Gov. George W. Bush of Texas.
“I will accept invitations from any newspaper to debate issues with Gov. Bush,” said Gore. While 13 major newspapers around the country have taken Gore up on his offer, Bush at presstime had declined to participate.
Replace television campaign ads with twice-weekly public debates? Hmmm... not bad! A plan like that would effectively prevent the candidate with the most advertising money from steamrolling his or her opponent. Of course, that is exactly why reTHUGlicans will never go for it.
Why Won’t Republicans Debate Anymore? (something I wrote a while back...)
I'm going to talk about Republicans and debating for a while. It's going to be really long. There will more stories and comments to follow if you want to skip down to it but you may find this debate discussion entertaining...
I spent an hour recently meticulously and systematically refuting the latest rightwing mass e-mail that was inadvertently sent to me. I say inadvertently because most of my friends and acquaintances who are of the conservative persuasion know I have and will make then look quite naive for forwarding that rubbish around. My method is simple: I don’t just reply to the sender, I include everyone in the usually long e-mail list so that they all benefit from the exposed lie.
It didn’t take long to get a reply back from one of them. The message was straight to the point. After all the facts and sources I listed, this Einstein merely wrote ignorant liberal. That was it. No counter arguments. No vain protests of my sources. He basically said I was ignorant for believing what I did and all the facts, history, and sources be damned. He was probably patting himself on the back for that one. Whoo hoo! I could just hear the "ditto dittos" from the others reading it. Never one to be outdone, I again replied back to all who were on the e-mail list and challenged him to an open debate in a chat room with all his friends watching. I gave him the opportunity to prove I was an “ignorant liberal.”
Why won’t Republicans debate anymore? I mean, really debate? I’m not talking about a verbal orgy of rumor spouting, mud slinging, and name calling that they’re so good at. A good healthy exchange of ideas, policies, and opinions in front of an audience of fence sitters is probably the best way to win over those who are undecided about something. It used to be standard. Now it seems the right will run at the first hint of actually having to present and defend their positions in front of anyone other than a FOX News audience.
Watching (and participating) in political debates are fun in a cruel kind of way. Seeing one guy squirm while the other rattles off a litany of facts and figures is like watching your team hit one out of the park or passing for the game winning touch down. Unfortunately for conservatives, their exchanges with liberals in the last 30 years or so has more often than not resulted in their team being the one watching the ball sail over their heads and into the seats!
Witness the George H.W. Bush/William Jefferson Clinton debates of ’92. Before Clinton, by most estimates, summarily cleaned Bush’s clock , Clinton had to enlist a flock of costumed chickens to tail President Bush around the country until he agreed to debate him . Like father like son, George W. Bush also did his fair share of “ducking” Al Gore’s invitation for debates in 2000.
George W. Bush and his handlers resisted having prime time debates almost immediately. People wondered if he just didn’t want to debate Gore during the time when most people could view it. He finally agreed to the prime time debates but then suggested they be held on sole-broadcast forums such as CNN's "Larry King Live," quite possibly as a way to still limit the amount of viewers. Bush also didn’t want them to be held under the auspices of the Commission on Presidential Debates, an independent organization that has been the prime sponsor of such forums in the last three elections.
When Bush finally agreed to debates, he – like his father – was slayed by another so-called “ignorant liberal.” For example, after the first debate an Associated Press panel of high school and college debate coaches judged Al Gore the winner. According to William Woods Tate, debate coach of Montgomery Bell Academy in Nashville, Tenn., and president of the National Forensic League, “on the basis of six debate-judging criteria -- reasoning, evidence, organization, refutation, cross-examination and presentation -- Gore was the better debater. Gore simply had more information at his fingertips.” Earlier panels, with some rotating members and some holdovers, also picked Gore as winner of his two previous debates against Bush.
Melissa Maxcy Wade, debate coach at Emory University in Atlanta, said Gore used ‘assertive confidence’ to good effect in the debates. James Unger, director of the National Forensic League of Washington, which brings together high school and college debaters and educators to study competitive debate, said Gore had shown steady improvement. ‘Gore finally mastered the debate process, his debate opponent and himself," he said. ‘The newest Al Gore is the best.’”
Only one judge chose Bush as the winner in the St. Louis debate. Dallas Perkins said "Gore was woefully unprepared and pathologically incapable of following the rules." Incidentally, Perkins was the debate coach at Harvard University. George W. Bush revived his Masters of Business Administration from Harvard. The Bush family breeds loyalty for sure!
The Republican elite aren’t stupid. They have their share of researchers and pollsters just like our side does. They should know research shows that debates don’t matter a whole lot. Usually a candidate's poll numbers only increase marginally – if at all - after a debate victory. That’s because only partisans tune in. Independents, the key swing voters, tend to be less engaged in politics. So they’re much less likely to watch the debates. Additionally, debates tend to reinforce preconceived notions, not change them. Most of each candidate’s supporters say it’s their guy who won.
If the above is true than why is there an overall trend in conservative politics – from office water cooler pundits and internet chat room participants to national level candidates – to avoid engaging liberals in open discussions of the issues? Could it be that, like no other time in history, conservative arguments are at best weak and at worst out right lies? Are they afraid of being exposed in front of just one person who will then spread the word of how “republican x” was caught lying or exaggerating to make a point?
During the Clinton years, the right engaged in what has since been termed “the politics of personal destruction.” They couldn’t beat Clinton on the issues (as daddy Bush so beautifully displayed) so they attempted to make character an issue above and beyond the economy, domestic, and foreign policy by attacking his personal life. By hammering their point so loudly and so often that Clinton was immoral (by their standards) they found a debate they could win. After all, and to be fair, Mr. Clinton did give them plenty of ammo on that front. So sure were they that attacking character was the way to win elections that in 2000, they managed to get a Federal Court to throw out rules during, and only for, the 2000 election. The rules that were suspended were ones that forced broadcasters to give candidates and private citizens a chance to respond to personal attacks and political endorsements. In other words, rightwing politicians were now free to slander liberal candidates and private citizens without fear of effective and meaningful rebuttal.
What does all this mean to you? Simple. This rule does not apply in public. If a right-winger begins spouting his simple minded rhetoric, you have the choice to correct him or her. Honestly, it’s not that difficult to do because they’re usually parroting some Limbaugh lines and will become flabbergasted at the mere suggestion of a challenge. When they begin huffing and puffing and calling you names, you know they're on the ropes. Once they launch into a tirade on Clinton’s penis, you’ve won!
I did receive a reply from the person I mentioned at the beginning of this article. As expected, he declined my debate invitation.
“I don't have to argue with someone whose thinking is an inch deep,” He wrote.
”Your whole approach is humanistic and therefore faulty. God was and is the original conservative. If you don't like the rules that he laid out for you take it up with him not with me."
With that, I challenged God to a debate. However I don’t believe a reply is forthcoming.
Leanmc over at Democratic Underground believes that lots of conservatives lack the mental capacity to engage in debate. According to Leanmc and in his words, "traditionally, congnitive developement has been imagined in 4 stages (Piaget was the fellow who really did the heavy lifting here). They are sensimotor (0-2) , preoperational (2-7), concrete operations (7-12), and formal operations(12-18). These stages broadly represent an individual's capacity to think about and understand the world from multiple perspectives.
Infants are enthralled by peek-a-boo because they don't understand that their partners do not disappear completely. Young children have problems with extreme egocentricity or imagining physical events out of sequence. Older schoolchildren have a hard time with abstract thought. Its only with formal operations stage that individuals become fluent with abstract reasoning. The modes of thought included in formal operations are heavily associated with education and culture; most Americans do not regularly use formal operations in their daily lives. Some theorists propose a 5th category of post-formal thought, which would be where individuals would be able to intellectualize about different abstract systems, sort of meta-criticism.
I [Leanmc] offered that mini-lecture because it seems that a lot of the conservatives "arguments" really betray cognitive deficiencies. Take the whole "no morality without God" bit, or the "why do liberals not oppose Saddam" questions. The lack of an ability to see how dumb those statements are sort of calls into question the mental capacity of the persons making such claims (or at least that of their target audience). Or think about the total closed-in logic of many conservatives, the truisms and the circular arguements. The bitter ad hominium attacks, even in their primaries. The tendency to focus on one part of the problem and miss other key parts (like tax cuts divorced from budget woes, or Iraq apart from the rest of the Middle East).
Debates are teaching methods that *increase* formal (and post-formal) thought. Listening to ideas, responding to ideas, playing devil's advocate, even having absurd debates, this is how people develop their ability for higher level thought. Listening to a one-sided factually shakey monologue is not. "
Too bad we won't get to see Gore debate Bush again.
pResident Bush's Possible '04 Signature Issues
You may recall my update from Sunday, Dec. 29, where I mentioned that Bush was going to politicize the war on terror in the 2004 elections. This was based on a document titled "Possible '04 Signature Issues" that was discussed this month in a White House meeting chaired by chief of staff Andrew Card. I thought all of you might find the whole list interesting...
1. War On Terrorism (Con't)
2. Protecting The Homeland (Con't)
3. Health Care Costs and Access
4. Legal Reform
5. Faith-based Services
6. Education
7. Higher Education
8. Social Security Reform
9. Tax Reform
10. Immigration Reform
Interesting, huh? Faith-based services rank higher than Education? Does the dumbass really have such a high regard for health care? WHERE IS THE ECONOMY? We've always suspected this adminstration's true agenda...now it's spelled out.
How do we reward someone who blocked the CIA from pursuing terrorists?
The Star Tribune's Greg Gordon reported recently that at a quiet little ceremony earlier this month, Marion (Spike) Bowman was given an award for "exceptional performance." The award invludes a cash bonus of 20 to 35 percent of the recipient's salary and a framed certificate signed by the president.
Bowman heads the FBI's National Security Law Unit. That's the unit that blocked Minneapolis agents from pursuing their suspicions about Moussaoui. Just another example of the dumbassery of the Bush cartel...
The Financial Fornication and Coporate Copulation of the reTHUGlicans!
Zizka points this out: Republicans and their kept men and women in the media are still charging, predictably, that Clinton and the Democrats are responsible for the Enron disaster. This takes gall, given the record. A little outline of which follows:
A few convenient and very significant examples showing that the Democrats were NOT running Enron's errands, and the Repubs WERE.
From MediaWhoresOnline.com
A (Very) Brief History of How the Clinton Administration and Democrats Tried to Prevent the Enron Disaster from Happening -- But Got Defeated by the Republicans.
1997: President Clinton's chair of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) Chair Brooksley Born proposes greater regulation of energy derivates by way of more stringent disclosure. Her proposal is beaten back by House Republicans, including then-House Banking Committee Chair Jim Leach (R-IA) who scolds Born for two hours at a hearing.
Energy derivatives were the key instrument with which Enron Corporation was building its trading empire.
Four years earlier, the outgoing chair of the CFTC, a gung-ho de-regulator, pushed through a special lucrative exemption for the Enron Corporation. A few days later, she was appointed to the Enron board of directors. Her name: Wendy Gramm, wife of Republican Senator Phil Gramm of Texas.
1997: Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) proposes banning investment of more than 10 percent of the total 401(k) plan in the employer's stock --the maximum that investment experts recommend a person sink into any one company. (If enacted, Boxer's proposal would have saved thousands of Enron's employees from their current dismal fate.)
The GOP Senate passes her bill, but waters it down so completely that it
doesn't apply to a single company in America!
1998-2000: Clinton Securities and Exchange Commission Chair Arthur Levitt proposes regulations to prohibit accounting firms from simultaneously serving as consultants and auditors. Arthur Andersen LLB and other giant accounting firms mount a massive lobbying campaign against the Clinton-Levitt regs, killing them. The lead lobbyist for the accounting firms is Harvey Pitt.
1999-2000: Clinton Treasury Secretary Larry Summers proposes a crackdown on tax havens such as those used by Enron. His proposals are opposed and defeated by the GOP Congress. Later Bush Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill opposes efforts by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) to protect investors from tax havens.
May, 2001: George W. Bush appoints Harvey Pitt as chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Most Canadians see U.S. as a 'bully,' survey finds
Canadians have their backs up over American foreign policy, according to a new survey that shows the vast majority believe the United States is acting like a bully with the rest of the world.
Hey, Canada! I would like to apologize for Bush and his thugs. We know it's really the republicans you have issues with, not all Americans. Give us two more years and, if we haven't blown up the world, we'll boot the dumbasses out of office.
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